116 thoughts on “#metoo >< #youtoo

  1. Toiveikasta torstaita, Survister!

    Minun t瓣ytyy -joskus hieman yksinkertaisena ihmisen瓣- kysy瓣, ett瓣 mit瓣 tarkoittaa tuo #metoo..? Sisareni ja muutamat muutkin olivat laittaneet facebookiinsa t瓣ll瓣 viikolla tuon saman Me too. Tarkoittaneeko se heill瓣 samaa asiaa..? Joku naiskaveri oli vastannut h瓣nelle siihen syd瓣nhymi繹ll瓣, ja joku toinen “surullinen” -hymi繹ll瓣.

    Mit瓣 sinulle muuten kuuluu? Oletko sin瓣 v瓣lttynyt syysflunssalta, jota on liikkeell瓣 nyt ymp瓣ri maatamme?

    Hyv瓣瓣 vointia ja mukavaa p瓣iv瓣njatkoa sinulle toivotellen Lulu

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  2. hei lulu,

    googleta #metoo niin siell瓣p瓣 sit瓣 matskua naisiin kohdistuvasta seksuaalisesta h瓣irinn瓣st瓣 miesten taholta. Ja min瓣kin?! komppaan asiaa. lis瓣瓣n t瓣h瓣n postaukseen pari kuvaa arkistostani.

    oon m瓣 flunssan viel v瓣ltt瓣nyt mutta alkaa jo kylm瓣 purra ulkona.
    .

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  3. Hei Survister!

    No nyt min瓣kin tied瓣n, ett瓣 mit瓣 se tarkoittaa. Min瓣 olen tapani mukaan siit瓣(kin) asiasta kahta mielt瓣, koska en ole ajatusmaailmaltani “musta-valkoinen”. Tottakai sit瓣 on esim. monien naisten ty繹paikoilla ja uskon sisarenikin joutuneen sen kohteeksi ainakin avioeronsa j瓣lkeen jossakin, joko ty繹paikallaan tai muualla. Min瓣 itse en ole joutunut koskaan sellaiseen tilanteeseen… no lieneek繹 tuo minun aika vaatimaton ulkon瓣k繹ni sitten suojellut silt瓣.

    Toisaalta min瓣 ajattelen siit瓣 asiasta silleenkin, ett瓣 t瓣m瓣 on nyt joittenkin feministiakkojen tyhj瓣np瓣iv瓣ist瓣 v繹yh繹tt瓣mist瓣 ja mm. julkkisakkojen itsens瓣 esilletuomistakin mediassa. T瓣m瓣 mielipiteeni ei tarkoita sit瓣, ett瓣 min瓣 suhtautuisin v瓣h瓣tellen heihin, joille h瓣irint瓣 on todellista ja jopa p瓣ivitt瓣ist瓣, ja jotka oikeasti ahdistuvat siit瓣. Kaikki asiat pit瓣瓣 suhteuttaa olematta ylireagoimatta silloin, jos aihetta siihen ei todellisuudessa ole ollut eik瓣 ole.

    Niinkuin sinun yhdess瓣 viimevuotisessa postauksessa onkin, niin my繹skin miehet voivat kokea seksuaalista h瓣irint瓣瓣 mm. ty繹paikoilla ja sekin on yht瓣 vakavasti otettava asia! Er瓣s l瓣hipiiril瓣iseni joutui yhteen aikaan ty繹paikallaan keski-ik瓣isen eronneen muijan ahdistelun kohteeksi, mutta h瓣n otti sen huumorilla tyyliin “hyv瓣h瓣n se on, jos h瓣n viel瓣 jollekin kelpaisi”… mutta ei h瓣n kuitenkaan langennut sen naisen houkutuksiin.

    Kylm瓣瓣 on jo t瓣瓣ll瓣kin, mutta viel瓣 viime y繹n瓣 l瓣mp繹tila ulkona pysyi sent瓣瓣n plussan puolella. Talvi on tulossa, vaikka sit瓣 ei tahtoisi ottaa viel瓣 vastaan, kun se kunnollinen l瓣mmin kes瓣kin j瓣i t瓣ll瓣 alueella kokematta.

    Oikein hyv瓣瓣 p瓣iv瓣njatkoa ja viihtyis瓣瓣 viikonloppua sinulle toivotellen Lulu

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  4. Meid瓣n ty繹paikalle tuli uusi ty繹ntekij瓣, nainen, v瓣h瓣n yli viikko sitten. En ole jutellut h瓣nen kanssaan aiemmin, vain tervehtinyt aamuisin t繹ihin tullessa, T瓣n瓣瓣n menin kahvitauolle ja se nainen oli tauolla ainoana henkil繹n瓣. Menin h瓣nen p繹yt瓣瓣ns瓣 ja sanoin “no hei” vaikken sen kummemmin h瓣nt瓣 viel瓣 tuntenutkaan. Olisin tietysti voinut menn瓣 muuallekin mutta koin ett瓣 on luontevaa ja kohteliastakin menn瓣 samaan p繹yt瓣瓣n jos siit瓣 tulisi fiilist瓣 ett瓣 vanhat ty繹ntekij瓣t ottaa my繹s uuden huomioon sosiaalisissa tilanteissa kuten tauolla,
    Nainen vastasi minulle sanomalla ett瓣 h瓣nell瓣 on jo poikayst瓣v瓣.
    Meinasin tukehtua kahviini ja ajatelin ett瓣 mit瓣 t瓣st瓣 seuraa. Sanoin ett瓣 “ai jaa, no sep瓣s kiva”. En oikein tied瓣 miten olisin jatkanut keskustelua, joka ei oikein ollut edes alkanut mutta onneksi siihen saapui ihan kohta toinen ty繹kaveri, yksi Petri. Olikohan se nainen niin typer瓣 ett瓣 koki saapumiseni seksuaaliseksi ahdisteluksi.

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    1. Moikka Ojatuomi,

      Naiset on nyt kahvip繹yt瓣keskusteluissaan metostaneet seksuaalisesta h瓣irinn瓣st瓣, niin ett瓣 t瓣m瓣 kohtaus mennee varmaan t瓣h瓣n piikkiin. Osaan kyll瓣 aatella h瓣mm瓣styst瓣si t瓣llaisen vastaanoton edess瓣. Melkein menee vihapuheeksi.

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    2. Hei ojatuomi, nimimerkkisi johdattaa suoraan Torikahvilan etusivulle?, pit瓣瓣 mietiskell瓣 miksi vaiko siksi koska nikkisi siainti torikahvilassa.

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  5. Hyv瓣瓣 sunnuntaita, Survister!

    Kiitos noista linkityksist瓣si! Min瓣 k瓣vin lukemassa nuo sinun linkitt瓣m瓣si ketjut sielt瓣 torikahvilasta ja ajattelin, ett瓣 pitih瓣n se arvata, ett瓣 sielt瓣 Ameriikasta se tuokin metostaminen ja “julkkisten esilletulo” on tullut. Mit瓣 julkkikset edell瓣, sit瓣 tavikset per瓣ss瓣 jne. En toki v瓣h瓣ttele asian vakavuutta, mutta jotenkin tuo julkkisakkojen “avautuminen” mediassa vie sen h瓣irinn瓣n todellisen vakavuuden sivuraiteille ja “ruokkii” nyt tavisakkojenkin esitt瓣misen tarvetta ja ylemmyydentunteita, kuten voimme tuosta Ojatuomenkin esimerkist瓣 ty繹paikallaan huomata. Se on vissiin nyt ik瓣瓣nkuin “muotia” kokea kaikenlainen miesten l瓣hestyminen “seksuaaliseksi h瓣irinn瓣ksi”, voi voi sent瓣瓣n!

    En voi mit瓣瓣n sille, ett瓣 n瓣en varsinkin sellaiset mediassa avautumiset ja esitt瓣miset naurettavina ja surkuhupaisinakin, mutta ennenkaikkea suunnattoman suurena tyhmyyten瓣. Ojatuomi ja muutkin miehet voisivat sanoa sille naiselle tai jollekin muulle, joka sanoo heille tuollaisia, ett瓣 “onneksi en olekaan sinun poikayst瓣v瓣si”…

    Toisaalta, kun min瓣 ajattelen feminismin kehityst瓣 vuosien saatossa ja olen itsekin n瓣hnyt nuorempien l瓣hisukulaisteni ja tuttavieni perheiss瓣 tapahtuneen “vallankumouksen”, niin t瓣m瓣 “me too” -kampanjointi on vain jatkumoa kehitykselle. Mit瓣h瓣n seuraavaksi…? Pikkusisareni on feministi “henkeen ja vereen”. H瓣n on osannut kouluttaa jopa naaraspuolisen koiransa vihaamaan miehi瓣. Se koira haukkuu aivan raivona kaikille miehille…

    T瓣瓣ll瓣 aurinko paistaa ja viime y繹n瓣 l瓣mp繹tila oli plussan puolella, mutta toissay繹n瓣 mentiin jo pakkaselle -5:ll瓣 asteella. Talvi l瓣hestyy v瓣瓣j瓣瓣m瓣tt瓣…

    Mukavaa pyh瓣p瓣iv瓣n jatkoa sinulle ja Ojatuomelle sek瓣 muillekin blogisi lukijoille toivotellen Lulu

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  6. hei lulu,

    hiukan meill瓣 nyt eri k瓣sitys mist瓣 ameriikanhumpuukista #metoossa on kysymys. t瓣ss on nyt kuukausi mennyt ett瓣 joka p瓣iv瓣 joku k瓣y usasta lukasemassa t瓣t瓣 blogia.

    seksuaalisen koskemattomuuden kunnioittaminen on pyh瓣 asia niin naisille kuin miehille. Tomi Mets瓣keto(siit瓣 T瓣hdet t瓣hdet ohjelmasta) on hyv瓣 esimerkki kotosuomessa. .

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  7. Hei Survister!

    Olet oikeassa siin瓣, ett瓣 meid瓣n k瓣sityksemme “me toosta” eroavat toisistaan ja se johtuu varmaankin siit瓣, ett瓣 min瓣 itse en ole joutunut koskaan vakavan fyysisen enk瓣 sanallisenkaan seksuaalisen h瓣irinn瓣n kohteeksi. Sin瓣 olet sen mummosi taholta ja uskon sinun ymm瓣rt瓣v瓣n sellaisen kohteeksi joutuneita naisiakin minua paremmin.

    Min瓣 my繹s katson asioita jo ehk瓣 liikaakin vanhemman naisen n瓣k繹vinkkelist瓣, jolla juuri se el瓣m瓣n osa-alue on jo hiipumassa, joten ajattelin linkitt瓣瓣 nuoremman (ja kauniimman) naisen mietteit瓣 t瓣nne. Luettuasi voit poistaa linkin, jos se ei ole ollut luvallista linkitt瓣瓣. Siin瓣kin asiassa kun pit瓣瓣 noudattaa varovaisuutta netiss瓣.

    http://www.rantapallo.fi/mungolife/2017/10/20/not-metoo/

    Hyv瓣瓣 p瓣iv瓣njatkoa ja koko alkanutta uutta syysviikkoa sinulle toivotellen Lulu

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  8. hei lulu,

    jos tuo blogi on julkinen, niin olkoon nyt vaan t瓣瓣ll瓣.

    tein uuden postauksen, nuo kaks, n瓣ytt瓣 olevan sanava繹mis kansalaisaktivisti ja kiva ett瓣 p瓣瓣sit k瓣ym瓣瓣n, noi on mulle lausunut yhden sanomalehden (mies)p瓣瓣toimittaja, hang youyrself -neuvo tuli huehuelta.

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  9. Hei Survister!

    Tuskinpa niin mukavan ja vapaamielisen oloinen nuori nainen tykk瓣瓣 huonoa, vaikka min瓣 h瓣nen bloginsa t瓣nne linkitin. H瓣nh瓣n saa tuon linkityksen kautta lis瓣瓣 lukijoita omaankin blogiinsa.

    Hienoa, ett瓣 sin瓣 uskallat olla kansalaisaktivisti, kuten muutamat muutkin t瓣瓣ll瓣 netiss瓣kin!
    Min瓣 k瓣vin lukemassa sen uuden postauksesi runon, mutta en ymm瓣rt瓣nyt jokaista sanaa, joten minun t瓣ytyy googlata muutamia sanoja ymm瓣rt瓣瓣kseni. Minun englanninkielentaitoni ei ole tosiaan kovin h瓣瓣vi.

    Me too -asia on edelleen p瓣iv瓣npolttava, kun esille on tullut uusiakin n瓣k繹kulmia siin瓣 Tomi Mets瓣keto -keississ瓣. Se Maria Veitolakin taitaa olla oikein feministien aatelia! Kun h瓣nest瓣 lukee ja tiet瓣瓣 yh瓣 uusia kieroiluja, niin min瓣h瓣n alan kohta py繹rt瓣m瓣瓣n ilfoorumiaikaisia k瓣rkevi瓣 mielipiteit瓣ni Anu Saagimista…
    No, molemmat akat ovat omalla tavallaan ep瓣miellytt瓣vi瓣. Niinh瓣n sit瓣 sanotaan, ettei “savua ilman tulta”, mutta pit瓣isi ottaa nyt ensin selv瓣瓣, ett瓣 ket瓣 tai keit瓣 se Mets瓣keto on oikeasti ahdistellut ja ketk瓣 ovat muuten vaan halunneet tehd瓣 k瓣rp瓣sest瓣 h瓣rk瓣sen Veitolan houkuttelemina tulemaan esille. Se on niin suuri se julkisuuden tarve monilla tavismuijillakin…

    Hue n瓣ytt瓣瓣 palanneen bannista ja toistaiseksi s瓣yse瓣mm瓣n oloisena. H瓣nen viestins瓣 ovat v瓣lill瓣 todella t繹rkeit瓣 ja niist瓣 voi p瓣瓣tell瓣 aina senhetkisen j瓣瓣gerinnauttimisen vaikutukset. Se j瓣瓣geri taitaa olla sukua kiljulle, koska kotikyl瓣ni pojat tappelivat aikoinaan tanssipaikoilla eniten ja pahiten juurikin otettuaan sit瓣 omatekoista kiljua… Tavallisella viinalla tai kaljalla ei ollut niin dramaattisia vaikutuksia heid瓣n k瓣ytt瓣ytymiseens瓣.

    Talvi tekee tuloaan t瓣nnekin, mutta lunta ei ole tullut viel瓣 hiutalettakaan. Ukko vaihtoi kes瓣renkaat talvisiin eilen.

    Hyv瓣瓣 p瓣iv瓣njatkoa ja viihtyis瓣瓣 viikonloppua sinulle ja kaikille blogisi lukijoille toivotellen Lulu

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  10. Hei lulu,

    tsekkasin uuden tavan kommentoida blogin topicia, kun klikkaa blog topic -postauksen yksitt瓣ist瓣 kuvaa, se aukeaa omaan postaukseen johon voi sitten kommentoida, Testasin sen kuvagallerian viimeisess瓣 kuvassa, perhesalaisuuksissa.

    sitten on tuo valitse kieli translate palkki, sit瓣 klikkaamalla p瓣瓣set kielivalikkoon, josta valitset suomen kieln niin k瓣瓣nt瓣j瓣 hoitaa jotenkuten engalnnin suomeksi.

    talvi tekee tuloaan, kaivelin kirkasvalolampun esiin.

    antoisaa viikkoa.

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  11. Heip瓣 hei Survister!

    Min瓣 k瓣vin katsomassa sit瓣 uutta tapaa kommentoida ja voin k瓣yd瓣 jonakin p瓣iv瓣n瓣 kommentoimassa siell瓣kin.
    Se sinun suunnittelemasi kuvagalleria on kyll瓣 todella hieno.

    Se metoo -asia on pikkuhiljaa laantumassa iltap瓣iv瓣lehdiss瓣, mutta varmaan keskusteluja asian tiimoilta k瓣yd瓣瓣n Facebookissa ja muualla yksityisesti. Se on t瓣rke瓣 ja vakava asia, mik瓣 oli/on syyt瓣 pit瓣瓣kin edelleen esill瓣, kunhan se ei mene vain joidenkin julkkisakkojen oman itsens瓣 esilletuomiseen mediassa. Se ei ole oikein ja minun mielest瓣ni vie jopa pohjaa asian vakavuudelta ja asiallisilta keskusteluilta…

    Niin, se kirkasvalolamppu voisi olla hyv瓣 hankinta my繹s minulle, kun jokavuotinen kaamosmasis on taas valtaamassa mielt瓣ni p瓣iv瓣 p瓣iv瓣lt瓣 enemm瓣n… Ehk瓣 siit瓣 lampusta olisi minullekin apua.

    Pieni lumipeite on tullut jo t瓣nnekin ja ilma on talvisen n瓣k繹inen ja oloinenkin.

    Kiitos, samoin sinulle antoisaa ja kaikinpuolin mukavaa alkanutta viikkoa, sek瓣 hyv瓣瓣 vointiakin! toivoo Lulu

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  12. http://torikahvila.foorumi.eu/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=27935

    Re: Miehiin kohdistuva seksuaalinen ahdistelu on tuplaantunu
    ViestiKirjoittaja surviainen 罈 13.11.2017 10:04

    tositarinaa: naapurin t瓣ti yli 70-v kommentoi parvekkeeltaan talossa vuokralla asuvaa nuorta 2kymppist瓣 miehenalkua sanoen: “Min瓣 rakastan tuota poikaa ja leivon h瓣nelle pullaa”. h瓣tk瓣hdin, my繹hemmin kysyin h瓣nelt瓣 ett瓣 ent瓣s jos 70-v mies kertoisi kerrostalossa ett瓣 “rakastan tuota kakskymppist瓣 vuokralaistytt繹瓣 ja leivon h瓣nelle piirakkaa”. niin mites sitten . Nainen vastaa pokkana: “Niin mutta seh瓣n on ihan eri asia!”
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