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  1. Toiveikasta torstaita, Survister! 🙂

    Minun tĂ€ytyy -joskus hieman yksinkertaisena ihmisenĂ€- kysyĂ€, ettĂ€ mitĂ€ tarkoittaa tuo #metoo..? Sisareni ja muutamat muutkin olivat laittaneet facebookiinsa tĂ€llĂ€ viikolla tuon saman Me too. Tarkoittaneeko se heillĂ€ samaa asiaa..? Joku naiskaveri oli vastannut hĂ€nelle siihen sydĂ€nhymiöllĂ€, ja joku toinen “surullinen” -hymiöllĂ€.

    MitÀ sinulle muuten kuuluu? Oletko sinÀ vÀlttynyt syysflunssalta, jota on liikkeellÀ nyt ympÀri maatamme?

    HyvÀÀ vointia ja mukavaa pĂ€ivĂ€njatkoa sinulle 🙂 toivotellen Lulu

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  2. hei lulu,

    googleta #metoo niin siellÀpÀ sitÀ matskua naisiin kohdistuvasta seksuaalisesta hÀirinnÀstÀ miesten taholta. Ja minÀkin?! komppaan asiaa. lisÀÀn tÀhÀn postaukseen pari kuvaa arkistostani.

    oon mÀ flunssan viel vÀlttÀnyt mutta alkaa jo kylmÀ purra ulkona.
    .

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  3. Hei Survister! 🙂

    No nyt minĂ€kin tiedĂ€n, ettĂ€ mitĂ€ se tarkoittaa. MinĂ€ olen tapani mukaan siitĂ€(kin) asiasta kahta mieltĂ€, koska en ole ajatusmaailmaltani “musta-valkoinen”. Tottakai sitĂ€ on esim. monien naisten työpaikoilla ja uskon sisarenikin joutuneen sen kohteeksi ainakin avioeronsa jĂ€lkeen jossakin, joko työpaikallaan tai muualla. MinĂ€ itse en ole joutunut koskaan sellaiseen tilanteeseen… no lieneekö tuo minun aika vaatimaton ulkonĂ€köni sitten suojellut siltĂ€.

    Toisaalta minÀ ajattelen siitÀ asiasta silleenkin, ettÀ tÀmÀ on nyt joittenkin feministiakkojen tyhjÀnpÀivÀistÀ vöyhöttÀmistÀ ja mm. julkkisakkojen itsensÀ esilletuomistakin mediassa. TÀmÀ mielipiteeni ei tarkoita sitÀ, ettÀ minÀ suhtautuisin vÀhÀtellen heihin, joille hÀirintÀ on todellista ja jopa pÀivittÀistÀ, ja jotka oikeasti ahdistuvat siitÀ. Kaikki asiat pitÀÀ suhteuttaa olematta ylireagoimatta silloin, jos aihetta siihen ei todellisuudessa ole ollut eikÀ ole.

    Niinkuin sinun yhdessĂ€ viimevuotisessa postauksessa onkin, niin myöskin miehet voivat kokea seksuaalista hĂ€irintÀÀ mm. työpaikoilla ja sekin on yhtĂ€ vakavasti otettava asia! ErĂ€s lĂ€hipiirilĂ€iseni joutui yhteen aikaan työpaikallaan keski-ikĂ€isen eronneen muijan ahdistelun kohteeksi, mutta hĂ€n otti sen huumorilla tyyliin “hyvĂ€hĂ€n se on, jos hĂ€n vielĂ€ jollekin kelpaisi”… mutta ei hĂ€n kuitenkaan langennut sen naisen houkutuksiin. 😀

    KylmÀÀ on jo tÀÀllÀkin, mutta vielÀ viime yönÀ lÀmpötila ulkona pysyi sentÀÀn plussan puolella. Talvi on tulossa, vaikka sitÀ ei tahtoisi ottaa vielÀ vastaan, kun se kunnollinen lÀmmin kesÀkin jÀi tÀllÀ alueella kokematta.

    Oikein hyvÀÀ pĂ€ivĂ€njatkoa ja viihtyisÀÀ viikonloppua sinulle 🙂 toivotellen Lulu

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  4. MeidĂ€n työpaikalle tuli uusi työntekijĂ€, nainen, vĂ€hĂ€n yli viikko sitten. En ole jutellut hĂ€nen kanssaan aiemmin, vain tervehtinyt aamuisin töihin tullessa, TĂ€nÀÀn menin kahvitauolle ja se nainen oli tauolla ainoana henkilönĂ€. Menin hĂ€nen pöytÀÀnsĂ€ ja sanoin “no hei” vaikken sen kummemmin hĂ€ntĂ€ vielĂ€ tuntenutkaan. Olisin tietysti voinut mennĂ€ muuallekin mutta koin ettĂ€ on luontevaa ja kohteliastakin mennĂ€ samaan pöytÀÀn jos siitĂ€ tulisi fiilistĂ€ ettĂ€ vanhat työntekijĂ€t ottaa myös uuden huomioon sosiaalisissa tilanteissa kuten tauolla,
    Nainen vastasi minulle sanomalla ettÀ hÀnellÀ on jo poikaystÀvÀ.
    Meinasin tukehtua kahviini ja ajatelin ettĂ€ mitĂ€ tĂ€stĂ€ seuraa. Sanoin ettĂ€ “ai jaa, no sepĂ€s kiva”. En oikein tiedĂ€ miten olisin jatkanut keskustelua, joka ei oikein ollut edes alkanut mutta onneksi siihen saapui ihan kohta toinen työkaveri, yksi Petri. Olikohan se nainen niin typerĂ€ ettĂ€ koki saapumiseni seksuaaliseksi ahdisteluksi.

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    1. Moikka Ojatuomi,

      Naiset on nyt kahvipöytÀkeskusteluissaan metostaneet seksuaalisesta hÀirinnÀstÀ, niin ettÀ tÀmÀ kohtaus mennee varmaan tÀhÀn piikkiin. Osaan kyllÀ aatella hÀmmÀstystÀsi tÀllaisen vastaanoton edessÀ. Melkein menee vihapuheeksi.

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    2. Hei ojatuomi, nimimerkkisi johdattaa suoraan Torikahvilan etusivulle?, pitÀÀ mietiskellÀ miksi vaiko siksi koska nikkisi siainti torikahvilassa.

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  5. HyvÀÀ sunnuntaita, Survister! 🙂

    Kiitos noista linkityksistĂ€si! MinĂ€ kĂ€vin lukemassa nuo sinun linkittĂ€mĂ€si ketjut sieltĂ€ torikahvilasta ja ajattelin, ettĂ€ pitihĂ€n se arvata, ettĂ€ sieltĂ€ Ameriikasta se tuokin metostaminen ja “julkkisten esilletulo” on tullut. MitĂ€ julkkikset edellĂ€, sitĂ€ tavikset perĂ€ssĂ€ jne. En toki vĂ€hĂ€ttele asian vakavuutta, mutta jotenkin tuo julkkisakkojen “avautuminen” mediassa vie sen hĂ€irinnĂ€n todellisen vakavuuden sivuraiteille ja “ruokkii” nyt tavisakkojenkin esittĂ€misen tarvetta ja ylemmyydentunteita, kuten voimme tuosta Ojatuomenkin esimerkistĂ€ työpaikallaan huomata. Se on vissiin nyt ikÀÀnkuin “muotia” kokea kaikenlainen miesten lĂ€hestyminen “seksuaaliseksi hĂ€irinnĂ€ksi”, voi voi sentÀÀn!

    En voi mitÀÀn sille, ettĂ€ nĂ€en varsinkin sellaiset mediassa avautumiset ja esittĂ€miset naurettavina ja surkuhupaisinakin, mutta ennenkaikkea suunnattoman suurena tyhmyytenĂ€. Ojatuomi ja muutkin miehet voisivat sanoa sille naiselle tai jollekin muulle, joka sanoo heille tuollaisia, ettĂ€ “onneksi en olekaan sinun poikaystĂ€vĂ€si”…

    Toisaalta, kun minĂ€ ajattelen feminismin kehitystĂ€ vuosien saatossa ja olen itsekin nĂ€hnyt nuorempien lĂ€hisukulaisteni ja tuttavieni perheissĂ€ tapahtuneen “vallankumouksen”, niin tĂ€mĂ€ “me too” -kampanjointi on vain jatkumoa kehitykselle. MitĂ€hĂ€n seuraavaksi…? Pikkusisareni on feministi “henkeen ja vereen”. HĂ€n on osannut kouluttaa jopa naaraspuolisen koiransa vihaamaan miehiĂ€. 😀 Se koira haukkuu aivan raivona kaikille miehille…

    TÀÀllĂ€ aurinko paistaa ja viime yönĂ€ lĂ€mpötila oli plussan puolella, mutta toissayönĂ€ mentiin jo pakkaselle -5:llĂ€ asteella. Talvi lĂ€hestyy vÀÀjÀÀmĂ€ttĂ€…

    Mukavaa pyhĂ€pĂ€ivĂ€n jatkoa sinulle ja Ojatuomelle sekĂ€ muillekin blogisi lukijoille 🙂 toivotellen Lulu

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  6. hei lulu,

    hiukan meillÀ nyt eri kÀsitys mistÀ ameriikanhumpuukista #metoossa on kysymys. tÀss on nyt kuukausi mennyt ettÀ joka pÀivÀ joku kÀy usasta lukasemassa tÀtÀ blogia.

    seksuaalisen koskemattomuuden kunnioittaminen on pyhÀ asia niin naisille kuin miehille. Tomi MetsÀketo(siitÀ TÀhdet tÀhdet ohjelmasta) on hyvÀ esimerkki kotosuomessa. .

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  7. Hei Survister! 🙂

    Olet oikeassa siinĂ€, ettĂ€ meidĂ€n kĂ€sityksemme “me toosta” eroavat toisistaan ja se johtuu varmaankin siitĂ€, ettĂ€ minĂ€ itse en ole joutunut koskaan vakavan fyysisen enkĂ€ sanallisenkaan seksuaalisen hĂ€irinnĂ€n kohteeksi. SinĂ€ olet sen mummosi taholta ja uskon sinun ymmĂ€rtĂ€vĂ€n sellaisen kohteeksi joutuneita naisiakin minua paremmin.

    MinĂ€ myös katson asioita jo ehkĂ€ liikaakin vanhemman naisen nĂ€kövinkkelistĂ€, jolla juuri se elĂ€mĂ€n osa-alue on jo hiipumassa, joten ajattelin linkittÀÀ nuoremman (ja kauniimman) naisen mietteitĂ€ tĂ€nne. Luettuasi voit poistaa linkin, jos se ei ole ollut luvallista linkittÀÀ. SiinĂ€kin asiassa kun pitÀÀ noudattaa varovaisuutta netissĂ€. 🙂

    http://www.rantapallo.fi/mungolife/2017/10/20/not-metoo/

    HyvÀÀ pĂ€ivĂ€njatkoa ja koko alkanutta uutta syysviikkoa sinulle 🙂 toivotellen Lulu

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  8. hei lulu,

    jos tuo blogi on julkinen, niin olkoon nyt vaan tÀÀllÀ.

    tein uuden postauksen, nuo kaks, nÀyttÀ olevan sanavaömis kansalaisaktivisti ja kiva ettÀ pÀÀsit kÀymÀÀn, noi on mulle lausunut yhden sanomalehden (mies)pÀÀtoimittaja, hang youyrself -neuvo tuli huehuelta.

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  9. Hei Survister! 🙂

    Tuskinpa niin mukavan ja vapaamielisen oloinen nuori nainen tykkÀÀ huonoa, vaikka minĂ€ hĂ€nen bloginsa tĂ€nne linkitin. HĂ€nhĂ€n saa tuon linkityksen kautta lisÀÀ lukijoita omaankin blogiinsa. 😉

    Hienoa, ettĂ€ sinĂ€ uskallat olla kansalaisaktivisti, kuten muutamat muutkin tÀÀllĂ€ netissĂ€kin! 🙂
    MinÀ kÀvin lukemassa sen uuden postauksesi runon, mutta en ymmÀrtÀnyt jokaista sanaa, joten minun tÀytyy googlata muutamia sanoja ymmÀrtÀÀkseni. Minun englanninkielentaitoni ei ole tosiaan kovin hÀÀvi.

    Me too -asia on edelleen pĂ€ivĂ€npolttava, kun esille on tullut uusiakin nĂ€kökulmia siinĂ€ Tomi MetsĂ€keto -keississĂ€. Se Maria Veitolakin taitaa olla oikein feministien aatelia! Kun hĂ€nestĂ€ lukee ja tietÀÀ yhĂ€ uusia kieroiluja, niin minĂ€hĂ€n alan kohta pyörtĂ€mÀÀn ilfoorumiaikaisia kĂ€rkeviĂ€ mielipiteitĂ€ni Anu Saagimista…
    No, molemmat akat ovat omalla tavallaan epĂ€miellyttĂ€viĂ€. NiinhĂ€n sitĂ€ sanotaan, ettei “savua ilman tulta”, mutta pitĂ€isi ottaa nyt ensin selvÀÀ, ettĂ€ ketĂ€ tai keitĂ€ se MetsĂ€keto on oikeasti ahdistellut ja ketkĂ€ ovat muuten vaan halunneet tehdĂ€ kĂ€rpĂ€sestĂ€ hĂ€rkĂ€sen Veitolan houkuttelemina tulemaan esille. Se on niin suuri se julkisuuden tarve monilla tavismuijillakin…

    Hue nĂ€yttÀÀ palanneen bannista ja toistaiseksi sĂ€yseĂ€mmĂ€n oloisena. HĂ€nen viestinsĂ€ ovat vĂ€lillĂ€ todella törkeitĂ€ ja niistĂ€ voi pÀÀtellĂ€ aina senhetkisen jÀÀgerinnauttimisen vaikutukset. Se jÀÀgeri taitaa olla sukua kiljulle, koska kotikylĂ€ni pojat tappelivat aikoinaan tanssipaikoilla eniten ja pahiten juurikin otettuaan sitĂ€ omatekoista kiljua… Tavallisella viinalla tai kaljalla ei ollut niin dramaattisia vaikutuksia heidĂ€n kĂ€yttĂ€ytymiseensĂ€.

    Talvi tekee tuloaan tÀnnekin, mutta lunta ei ole tullut vielÀ hiutalettakaan. Ukko vaihtoi kesÀrenkaat talvisiin eilen.

    HyvÀÀ pĂ€ivĂ€njatkoa ja viihtyisÀÀ viikonloppua sinulle ja kaikille blogisi lukijoille 🙂 toivotellen Lulu

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  10. Hei lulu,

    tsekkasin uuden tavan kommentoida blogin topicia, kun klikkaa blog topic -postauksen yksittÀistÀ kuvaa, se aukeaa omaan postaukseen johon voi sitten kommentoida, Testasin sen kuvagallerian viimeisessÀ kuvassa, perhesalaisuuksissa.

    sitten on tuo valitse kieli translate palkki, sitÀ klikkaamalla pÀÀset kielivalikkoon, josta valitset suomen kieln niin kÀÀntÀjÀ hoitaa jotenkuten engalnnin suomeksi.

    talvi tekee tuloaan, kaivelin kirkasvalolampun esiin.

    antoisaa viikkoa.

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  11. HeipĂ€ hei Survister! 🙂

    MinÀ kÀvin katsomassa sitÀ uutta tapaa kommentoida ja voin kÀydÀ jonakin pÀivÀnÀ kommentoimassa siellÀkin.
    Se sinun suunnittelemasi kuvagalleria on kyllĂ€ todella hieno. 🙂

    Se metoo -asia on pikkuhiljaa laantumassa iltapĂ€ivĂ€lehdissĂ€, mutta varmaan keskusteluja asian tiimoilta kĂ€ydÀÀn Facebookissa ja muualla yksityisesti. Se on tĂ€rkeĂ€ ja vakava asia, mikĂ€ oli/on syytĂ€ pitÀÀkin edelleen esillĂ€, kunhan se ei mene vain joidenkin julkkisakkojen oman itsensĂ€ esilletuomiseen mediassa. Se ei ole oikein ja minun mielestĂ€ni vie jopa pohjaa asian vakavuudelta ja asiallisilta keskusteluilta…

    Niin, se kirkasvalolamppu voisi olla hyvĂ€ hankinta myös minulle, kun jokavuotinen kaamosmasis on taas valtaamassa mieltĂ€ni pĂ€ivĂ€ pĂ€ivĂ€ltĂ€ enemmĂ€n… EhkĂ€ siitĂ€ lampusta olisi minullekin apua.

    Pieni lumipeite on tullut jo tÀnnekin ja ilma on talvisen nÀköinen ja oloinenkin.

    Kiitos, samoin sinulle antoisaa ja kaikinpuolin mukavaa alkanutta viikkoa, sekĂ€ hyvÀÀ vointiakin! 🙂 toivoo Lulu

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  12. http://torikahvila.foorumi.eu/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=27935

    Re: Miehiin kohdistuva seksuaalinen ahdistelu on tuplaantunu
    ViestiKirjoittaja surviainen » 13.11.2017 10:04

    tositarinaa: naapurin tĂ€ti yli 70-v kommentoi parvekkeeltaan talossa vuokralla asuvaa nuorta 2kymppistĂ€ miehenalkua sanoen: “MinĂ€ rakastan tuota poikaa ja leivon hĂ€nelle pullaa”. hĂ€tkĂ€hdin, myöhemmin kysyin hĂ€neltĂ€ ettĂ€ entĂ€s jos 70-v mies kertoisi kerrostalossa ettĂ€ “rakastan tuota kakskymppistĂ€ vuokralaistyttöÀ ja leivon hĂ€nelle piirakkaa”. niin mites sitten . Nainen vastaa pokkana: “Niin mutta sehĂ€n on ihan eri asia!”
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